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I was working and I sit by someone and we get to a discussion of physical science and a paper he was working on. That was....all right. Next thing you know, we get to discussing Evolution v. Creationism. He began by stating that he wanted to know where the transitional forms were and why there were no intermediates. I said that all equivalent creatures had been exterminated by humankind, namely Neandies, Erectus, and Hobbits. So....he then notes that God made Man with a Sin nature but animals without one. I mentioned Giordano Bruno being burned for that, but responded that we couldn't know if God came as a flea to die for fleas or not, because humans can't understand what it's like to be a flea. Then, he responds with the idea that a Christian could not accept evolution. So...I pointed out that God said that things did happen for a purpose, but that His revelation, the general revelation argued conclusively for the evidence of science.

He then said that God's general revelation did conflict with his particular revelation, but that wasn't an argument. I asked him what the difference was....and he didn't know. So....then we got into the question of how to reconcile the idea of billions of years of geology with a 6,000 year geological timespan. I pointed out that reality rather conclusively did not say what he said it said. So...then he said the thing that made me the most. He said something to the effect of if God made the world 4.6 billion years old, but I believe it's 6,000 years old, then God is wrong. And that he would reject the reality that is for the reality he wants.


What the Hell made that whole thing seem like I was battering my head against a brick wall repeatedly? It was like he couldn't listen to my argument at all, even though I was willing to hear his!
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OK....now I know that Marxists have some real problems with dictatorships, but a yahoo like this who can't see the elementary connection between the dictatorship of Gaius Julius Caesar and that of Gaius Octavius Thurinus is not to be trusted. On anything. Caesar was no reformer, he was a member of the Roman aristocracy, a power-mad general who became despot of Rome, and an overrated military leader whose major accomplishment was the genocide by means of selling 1 million people into slavery and killing 1/3 of Gaul. And this Marxist shithead thinks that Caesar was a reformer and he actually gave a fuck about the Roman Populus. OK....you no know history. You fail history. Ug displeased. Ug....SMASH!

I don't get it. I thought Liberal Fascism was the essence of stupidity. Then I see this shit? WTF?

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Western Europe will send a grand total of 15 soldiers after the US and Canada have already done the rest, claim all the credit for it, and not acknowledge the US presence. The hypocritical assclowns that run that continent have earned no respect after 8 years of shafting Bush and now they give Obama nothing, despite the fact that Obama's gonna be a one-termer if he keeps on at the present rate of alienating everybody and his brother....fuck Europe up the ass without lube with an oak branch. Give us Ivan and the Chinese, and Afghanistan will be pacified in six months. Give us John Bull and the German Eagle, Afghanistan will be getting far worse and any round of fighting two provinces away from European soldiers will provoke squawks of fear. They didn't do jack shit for the South Slavs and we expect them to help us out?


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Defenders of Sola Scriptura defend the Scriptures as unalterable. Yet Martin Luther attempts to tear the Epistle of St. James out of the Bible entirely, and the Deuterocanonicals were retained in the King James Version until the 19th Century. Does Sola Scriptura mean "I decide what's Sola and what's Not-So-Scriptura?"

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As I said on a Christianity community, whoever had the bright idea to spread the Gospel to this particular Asian should be shot in both knees, strung up, and disemboweled before being strung up, and a sign hung around his neck that says "The Road To Hell Is Paved In Good Intentions."


^The man in that link was witnessed to by a missionary inspired by a Presbyterian. He had been having visions of a figure that told him to slay "evil devils." Upon learning of the concept of God the Son, he considered himself God's Chinese Son. He received most of his Christian information from our Bio-Denomination, the Southern Baptist Convention (Liang Fa only spurred his interest). Having learned of the Christian religion, he proceeded to start a millenarian war that murdered 25 million Chinese. This is Mao Zedong under Christian ideals, and Mao even admitted as much.

That's right. Missionary talks to one dude, who promptly proceeds to spark a civil war at the same time as our own and kills 25 million people for Jesus. Much as I believe in spreading the Gospel, there are some for whom it is not intended. This guy was one of them. And the nightmarish part I could see is if he attempted to Maoize China a century earlier, he would have been acclaimed a hero of the Faith by the Christian powers of the era for having brought true religion in place of paganism.

Since Hitler and the Nazis and Tojo Hideki and Imperial Japan came along and succeeded him. he's been forgotten. And yes, this is the second Chinese person in a row. The next individual's going to come from somewhere different.
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Now....people probably have heard of Mao, and the educated know that Qin Shi Huang wasn't that pleasant of a ruler....but I wonder how many have heard of this Zhang Xianzhong fellow? Here's a link about him:


While the First Emperor and Mao killed many people, Zhang is responsible for taking a city 400,000 strong and reducing it to 20 people. Yes, 20 people. He's as good an addition to the Forgotten Evils series as others I'm going to post, so....


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GOP county clerk passes around Obama 'black Hitler' claim
By Associated Press

NEW 10:20 a.m. FRANKLIN, Ind. -- A Republican county clerk distributed to two employees an Internet blog posting referring to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama as a “young, black Adolf Hitler.” | McCain volunteer claims attacker cut 'B' into face | Obama visits grandmother, perhaps for last time | Election page

Johnson County Clerk Jill Jackson said Friday that she had apologized to the employees. One had complained to police.

The employees, who had voted for Obama in the Democratic primary, discovered the printouts at their desks after returning from Labor Day weekend, sheriff’s Deputy Doug Cox said in a police report made public this week. A surveillance video showed Jackson placing an item on one worker’s desk, he said.

Jackson told The Associated Press that she was merely passing along an item that already was circulating in the office.

“There was no motive, no intent,” she said. “I never intended to offend anyone.”

The unsigned item does not mention Obama by name but refers to events in his life that make clear Obama is the target.

“The U.S. citizens are just not ready to give up their country to this young, black ‘Adolf Hitler’ with a smile, poor direction and absolutely no experience!” it said.

Doug Lechner, Republican Party county chairman, said the incident was unacceptable and taints Jackson’s ability to appear unbiased in administering this year’s election.

Indiana is a swing state in this presidential election, its 11 electoral votes seen as important to Obama and to his Republican rival, John McCain. Johnson County is heavily Republican.


God in Heaven and all the saints! STFU you stupid sonofabitch!

Are you seriously comparing a first-termer mulatto senator from Illinois (fuck PC, this needs to be addressed, big time) that can barely get a decent lead in a time when his party should be entire continents ahead of his opponent to an Austrian that had a fetish for mass murder? That turned entire groups of people into mountains of shoes, gold teeth, their skin into lampshades, that put thousands in graves they dug themselves by means of machine guns, that had as his ultimate aim the extermination of every person east of Germany and a good number in it? Are you seriously comparing a person with a black father and a white mother with a white supremacist Statist? If so, please notice that Hitler killed blacks in Germany. Note that Hitler would have taken Barack Obama and made a lampshade of his skin.

Obama is not Adolf Hitler, and the name of a murderer of 20 million should not be thrown around as a casual insult. That means you too, Madonna! John McCain isn't Adolf Hitler, either. No American leader right now could get away with half of Hitler's crimes. Yes, we did bad shit in Iraq. OK, fine. We did that.

Bad shit in Iraq =/= to killing 1 out of every 4 Soviets. STFU you damn assholes with the Hitler insults! Don't throw genocidal monsters' names around like they are insults!
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RNC appears to shell out $150K for Palin fashion

The Republican National Committee appears to have spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.

According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.

The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.

The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.

Politico asked the McCain campaign for comment, explicitly noting the $150,000 in expenses for department store shopping and makeup consultation that were incurred immediately after Palin’s announcement. Pre-September reports do not include similar costs.

Spokeswoman Maria Comella declined to answer specific questions about the expenditures, including whether it was necessary to spend that much and whether it amounted to one early investment in Palin or if shopping for the vice presidential nominee was ongoing.

Palin Fashion

“The campaign does not comment on strategic decisions regarding how financial resources available to the campaign are spent," she said.

The business of primping and dressing on the campaign trail has become fraught with political risk in recent years as voters increasingly see an elite Washington out of touch with their values and lifestyles.

In 2000, Democrat Al Gore took heat for changing his clothing hues. And in 2006, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) was ribbed for two hair styling sessions that cost about $3,000.

Then, there was Democrat John Edwards’ $400 hair cuts in 2007 and Republican McCain’s $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes this year.

A review of similar records for the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee turned up no similar spending.

But all the spending by other candidates pales in comparison to the GOP outlay for the Alaska governor whose expensive, designer outfits have been the topic of fashion pages and magazines.

What hasn’t been apparent is where the clothes came from – her closet back in Wasilla or from the campaign coffers in Washington.

The answer can be found inside the RNC’s September monthly financial disclosure report under “itemized coordinated expenditures.”

It’s a report that typically records expenses for direct mail, telephone calls and advertising. Those expenses do show up, but the report also has a new category of spending: “campaign accessories.”

September payments were also made to Barney’s New York ($789.72) and Bloomingdale’s New York ($5,102.71).

Macy’s in Minneapolis, another store fortunate enough to be situated in the Twin Cities that hosted last summer’s Republican National Convention, received three separate payments totaling $9,447.71.

The entries also show a few purchases at Pacifier, a top notch baby store, and Steiniauf & Stroller Inc., suggesting $295 was spent to accommodate the littlest Palin to join the campaign trail.

An additional $4,902.45 was spent at Atelier, a high-class shopping destination for men.
Read more stories in Politics '08.


In all seriousness, I just gave up any support I might once have had the slightest possibility of having for McCain-Palin (mostly out of a desire for a quick, simple death as opposed to a dragged-out, messy one). And anyone that defends the Republicans as in any way smacking of fiscal conservatism can STFU.
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House votes down bail-out package


The moment the vote was declared

The lower house of the US Congress has voted down a $700bn (£380bn) plan aimed at bailing out Wall Street.

The rescue plan, a result of tense talks between the government and lawmakers, was rejected by 228 to 205 votes in the House of Representatives.

About two-thirds of Republican lawmakers refused to back the rescue package, as well as 95 Democrats.

Shares on Wall Street plunged within seconds of the announcement, after earlier falls on global markets.

A White House spokesman said that President George W Bush was "very disappointed" by the result.

A US Treasury spokesman said that Mr Bush, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke would meet to discuss the way forward.

The vote followed a day of turmoil in the financial sector.

  • Wachovia, the fourth-largest US bank, was bought by larger rival Citigroup in a rescue deal backed by US authorities
  • Benelux banking giant Fortis was partially nationalised by the Dutch, Belgian and Luxembourg governments to ensure its survival
  • The UK government announced it was nationalising the Bradford & Bingley bank
  • Global shares fell sharply - France's key index lost 5%, Germany's main market dropped 4% while US shares plunged after the vote result was announced.

As news of the vote came through, traders on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange stood dumbfounded.

Analysts say that without a bail-out the banks will be left to handle all their own bad mortgage debt as best they can and more of them will be in danger of going bust.

Blame game

So grave are the consequences of this decision, reports the BBC's Kevin Connolly from Washington, that the speaker of the house paused for several long minutes after the vote was taken before declaring it official.

The no vote plunged the world of Washington politics into turmoil and the markets into deep and instant chaos, our correspondent says.

Mr Bush had argued that the bail-out plan was a "bold" one which he was confident would restore strength and confidence to the US economy.


I am glad the bailout bill failed. I work five days a week, save cash and pay my bills. I did not want to pay for Corporate America's greed
Lisa, Baltimore

But after a several hours of impassioned debate, the bill's opponents - the majority of whom were from the Republican Party - got their way.

They had raised concerns about both the content of the plan and the speed with which they were being asked to pass it.

Some agreement on issues such as oversight, greater protection for taxpayers and curbs on executive bonuses had been reached in fraught weekend talks.

These concessions, however, ultimately failed to persuade enough lawmakers that the plan was in the best interests of the nation.

Speaking after the vote, Republican leaders in the House of Representatives suggested the Democrats were to blame, accusing them of failing to mobilise their majority in the chamber.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama spoke shortly after the vote, saying it was an outrage that ordinary people were being asked to clean up Wall Street's mess.

"If I am president I will review the entire plan on the day I take office to make sure that it is working to save our economy and (that) you get your money back," he said.

He added that he expected Congress to pass a bail-out bill in some form and called for calm, although he admitted the path could be a difficult one.

Lawmakers from both parties called for further talks on new bail-out legislation.

Frantic steps will now be taken to get some kind of amended version of the bill through Congress, our correspondent says.

But, he adds, this vote would have shaken the confidence of the financial world and the ability of America's leaders to come up with convincing answers at a moment of crisis.

OK, 95 fucking Dems against? 65 GOP for?

The Hell? At least McCain's idea blew up in his face.

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Yasmin Fostok the daughter of Muslim Cleric Omar Bakri is taken away by police for her own safety
Police escort Yasmin Fostok, the daughter of the radical cleric Omar Bakri, from her south London home

Police were called to escort Yasmin Fostok, 27, away from her flat in the south of the capital to take her an undisclosed location on Saturday.

It emerged last week that Ms Fostok regularly performs in bars and nightclubs. There was also a report that her father - leader of the now outlawed al-Muhajiroun group - had paid for a £4,000 breast enlargement operation for her.

Ms Fostok, one of Bakri's three daughter's has dyed her hair blonde, changed her name from Youssra to Yasmin and separated from her Turkish-born husband.

Last week she admitted being was a dancer with a troupe called Ibiza Untouched and was quoted in The Sun as saying that she had been known to perform topless "if the venue is right".

But the reports of her activities angered her father and led to fears that she could make her a target for extremists.

Police have refused to confirm or deny reports that she has received security advice.

A spokesman said that officers had escorted her away from the property at her own request but denied suggestions that she had been taken to a "safe house".

Ms Fostok has distanced herself from her father, who praised the September 11 hijackers while living in Britain.

She was quoted last week as saying: "I don't agree with his views, I just get on with my life and that's it."

Bakri left Britain for Lebanon after the July 2005 bombings. He remains there despite an unsuccessful attempt to return to this country.

Last week he furiously denied the story about his daughter and claimed Britain would "pay a heavy price".

But, speaking from Lebanon yesterday, he went further, suggesting that Ms Fostok is an imposter and not his daughter.

Scotland Yard confirmed that police had been called to Ms Fostok's home at the weekend after the details of her life as a nightclub dancer were disclosed in the media. Syrian-born Bakri settled in north London where he brought his family up before leaving for Lebanon three years ago.

In 2006 he attempted to join the evacuation of British citizens from Beirut amid fighting between Israel and Hizbollah but was refused.


Yeah, bitches, here is what the future holds for European Islam.

Eurabia will happen when I grow wings and fly to the moon.

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A proposal by State Representative John LaBruzzo (R-Metairie) to study the issue of sterilizing poor people as a way of combating poverty has caused an uproar. The broad outline of the plan calls for poor women to receive a $1,000 payment to have their Fallopian tubes tied and for poor men to receive $500 to have a vasectomy. LaBruzzo believes this plan would decrease the number of people receiving welfare benefits. He also noted that it will be completely voluntary. Nonetheless, just the idea of sterilization has motivated critics to cast LaBruzzo as a racist. The Metairie State Representative rejects any charge of racism noting that the plan will mostly impact white people who make up a majority of welfare recipients.


Today on the Ringside program (WGSO 990 AM 7-11 a.m.) Labruzzo highlighted his concerns about the increasing number of people receiving government benefits. LaBruzzo said that he was motivated to study this issue after seeing long lines of citizens waiting for food stamp benefits after the hurricane. The Metairie State Representative noted that many of the people in line for benefits were driving expensive cars.


There is little doubt that government spending is increasing and more people are becoming dependent on public assistance. LaBruzzo is concerned about the generational nature of welfare and the strain that it is causing on taxpayers. He believes that previous tactics have failed, which is why he wants to study sterilization.  


While offering economic incentives to sterilize poor people, on the other end of the economic ladder, LaBruzzo wants to give tax incentives to richer families to have more children.


LaBruzzo will continue to study this issue for the next few months before deciding whether to introduce legislation next spring. There is little doubt that if LaBruzzo introduces this legislation it will be the most controversial measure in the legislative session.

Dammit, get out of my state. We've had enough of this sort of crap! Weren't Sanger and Hitler enough?



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To have gone in a mere 2 centuries from this:


to this:


If in 200 years Islamists and Nazis are seen in this light, I'll not be one damned bit surprised.

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5 Myths About Those Civic-Minded, Deeply Informed Voters

By Rick Shenkman
Sunday, September 7, 2008; B05

One thing both Democrats and Republicans agreed about in their vastly different conventions: The American voter will not only decide but decide wisely. But does the electorate really know what it's talking about? Plenty of things are hurting American democracy -- gridlock, negative campaigning, special interests -- but one factor lies at the root of all the others, and nobody dares to discuss it. American voters, who are hiring the people who'll run a superpower democracy, are grossly ignorant. Here are a few particularly bogus claims about their supposed savvy.

1. Our voters are pretty smart.

You hear this one from politicians all the time, even John McCain, who promises straight talk, and Barack Obama, who claims that he's not a politician (by which he means that he'll tell people what they need to hear, not what they want to hear). But by every measure social scientists have devised, voters are spectacularly uninformed. They don't follow politics, and they don't know how their government works. According to an August 2006 Zogby poll, only two in five Americans know that we have three branches of government and can name them. A 2006 National Geographic poll showed that six in ten young people (aged 18 to 24) could not find Iraq on the map. The political scientists Michael Delli Carpini and Scott Keeter, surveying a wide variety of polls measuring knowledge of history, report that fewer than half of all Americans know who Karl Marx was or which war the Battle of Bunker Hill was fought in. Worse, they found that just 49 percent of Americans know that the only country ever to use a nuclear weapon in a war is their own.

True, many voters can tell you who's ahead and who's behind in the horse race. But most of what they know about the candidates' positions on the issues -- and remember, our candidates are running to make policy, not talk about their biographies -- derives from what voters learn from stupid and often misleading 30-second commercials, according to Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center.

2. Bill O'Reilly's viewers are dumber than Jon Stewart's.

Liberals wish. Democrats like to think that voters who sympathize with their views are smarter than those who vote Republican. But a 2007 Pew survey found that the knowledge level of viewers of the right-wing, blustery "
The O'Reilly Factor" and the left-wing, snarky "The Daily Show" is comparable, with about 54 percent of the shows' politicized viewers scoring in the "high knowledge" category.

So what about conservative talk-radio titan
Rush Limbaugh's audience? Surely the ditto-heads are dumb, right? Actually, according to a survey by the Annenberg Public Policy Center, Rush's listeners are better educated and "more knowledgeable about politics and social issues" than the average voter.

3. If you just give Americans the facts, they'll be able to draw the right conclusions.

Unfortunately, no. Many social scientists have long tried to downplay the ignorance of voters, arguing that the mental "short cuts" voters use to make up for their lack of information work pretty well. But the evidence from the past few years proves that a majority can easily be bamboozled.
Just before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, after months of unsubtle hinting from Bush administration officials, some 60 percent of Americans had come to believe that Iraq was behind the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, despite the absence of evidence for the claim, according to a series of surveys taken by the PIPA/Knowledge Networks poll. A year later, after the bipartisan, independent 9/11 Commission reported that Saddam Hussein had had nothing to do with al-Qaeda's assaults on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, 50 percent of Americans still insisted that he did.

In other words, the public was bluntly given the data by a group of officials generally believed to be credible -- and it still didn't absorb the most basic facts about the most important event of their time.

4. Voters today are smarter than they used to be.

Actually, by most measures, voters today possess the same level of political knowledge as their parents and grandparents, and in some categories, they score lower. In the 1950s, only 10 percent of voters were incapable of citing any ways in which the two major parties differed, according to Thomas E. Patterson of Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, who leads the Pew-backed Vanishing Voter Project. By the 1970s, that number had jumped to nearly 30 percent.

Here's what makes these numbers deplorable -- and, in fact, almost incomprehensible: Education levels are far higher today than they were half a century ago, when social scientists first began surveying voter knowledge about politics. (In 1940, six in ten Americans hadn't made it past the eighth grade.) The moral of this story: Schooling alone doesn't translate into better educated voters.

5. Young voters are paying a lot of attention to the news.

Again, no. Despite all the hoopla about young voters -- the great hope of the future! -- only one news story in 2001 drew the attention of a majority of them: 9/11. Some 60 percent of young voters told Pew researchers that they were following news about the attack closely. (Er -- 40 percent weren't?) But none of the other stories that year seemed particularly interesting to them. Only 32 percent said that they followed the news about the anthrax attacks or the economy, then in recession. The capture of Kabul from the Taliban? Just 20 percent.

Six years later, Pew again measured public knowledge of current events and found that the young (aged 18 to 29) "know the least." A majority of young respondents scored in the "low knowledge" category -- the only demographic group to do so.

And some other statistics are even more alarming. How many young people read newspapers? Just 20 percent. (Worse, studies consistently show that people who do not pick up the newspaper-reading habit in their 20s rarely do so later.) But surely today's youth are getting their news from the Internet? Sorry. Only 11 percent of the young report that they regularly surf the Internet for news. Maybe Obama shouldn't be relying on savvy young voters after all.


P.T. Barnum's laughing at 21st Century America from the grave.

And guess who else laughs with him?

Emperor Norton.

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The military defends liberty. (Including the liberty to occupy a desk) It isn't theirs to give. That was someone else's department.

From: community.livejournal.com/dark_christian/1078983.html

The thought of any empire giving a territory in armed treason over having to pay for its own defense in a war that began in that territory (I love America, but that's what the Revolution was), independence and a good-bye is LULZ.

Just try organizing a rebellion against the United States that calls for its dissolution without an army to protect you and see how well that works out.

Oh, wait, it already happened:




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